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Title: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Legodac on September 19, 2009, 06:28:19 am

I'd like to think I am one here, who is qualified enough to help out with any Shop questions you have.
My credentials are as follows:
Licenced Electrician
A-Z class driver's licensed
3rd year registered apprentice as a High Voltage Lineman
2nd year registered apprentice Truck and Coach Technician
Level 4/5 Wreckmaster degree
Diploma awarded "Vehicle Extrication Training for Intermediate and Advanced Training Skills level" from Extrication.com
And really good at carpentry, (my Dad was one)

I also consider myself a pretty good cook, however, I know for a fact, that there is at least one here who has shown us what the definition of culinary delight really means.

So I humbly ask that MsRR join me here to answer your Home Ec questions and your shop questions as well, she's pretty handy eh, in a lot of other areas to long to mention.

Oh, BTW, even if you don't have a question in need of answering, post here what they're teaching in shop and homec these days, I'd love to hear it.

Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Maplen13 on September 19, 2009, 07:22:48 am

Ah... yes.. Home Ec. I've really loved that when if I grow up as well. Because I don't want to be a slob, who can't even cook, or fix your home when there's a broken ceiling or pipe leak.

In the school I got to it's called, T.L.E(Technology and Living Education)

For this grading period is... Sewing, in the later parts it goes on to Industrial arts, with Electronics, and wires on your house or if you want to call it with electricity.. and so on..

But the thing I would love is Entrepreneurship, yep, that I am not going to wait as much, because that I want to be doing.
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But What I would want to ask.. What is the basis of an Electrician/Technician?

Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Legodac on September 19, 2009, 07:41:35 am

Quote from: Heliosphere on September 19, 2009, 07:22:48 am

Thanks for sharing that, sounds really cool and your attitude to being hands on is most impressive

Before I can answer your question you need to define what you mean by basis

Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Maplen13 on September 19, 2009, 07:56:52 am

Hahaa...attitude being hands on... try also to clean your classroom, when it is wooden floor, 34 chairs, and that you have a coconut, broom, and dustpan. Move the chairs, sweep it, put them back, clean the blackboard, then the erasers, take the trash can to the back to be dumped, by yourself in a hot day, after you walked to school.

Well.. I'm trying to work into the thing of Electricity in the household, so if there is anything, if I want to build a house, where to put the wires, the cables, the you-know anything electric, sorry, I'm a failure to my dad, who was an electrician back in the days.

Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Legodac on September 19, 2009, 08:25:30 am

Quote from: Heliosphere on September 19, 2009, 07:56:52 am

Things are tough all buddy, so you wish to become my apprentice young Padawan, that is cool, but a really huge undertaking, ok I'm in, first tell me what you know about Alrternating current and how it works to provide us with means to make life easier. Also tell me your level of education, I think you mentioned it somewhere else, can't remember where.

Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Maplen13 on September 19, 2009, 08:47:04 am

Hmm... Alternating Current is the AC right? With the other one the Direct Current, and since the direct Current only goes in one direction with the Alternating Current go back and forth.

So in essence it would make less wires or time? Or that an AC current can be increased or decreased in power? Sorry, just really not good at this, I need to get my T.L.E book.

Um... I'm in High School II year, or 8th grade equivalent in America. But I have many thirst for knowledge with learning stuff fast sometimes.

Also I talked to my mom when I was young.. about that my parents bought a lot in the Philippines next to the shore, and she said it belongs to me and my brother, and I promised(Me bing young at that time with love of building) that I would build a house there. So can carpentry work on going? Because Architecture is what I'm trying to learn as well.

One more thing, have you heard a house made from reinforced concrete, takes a very long time, but it resists a lot of damage, and contains heat saving energy. That's my house. ;)

Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Legodac on September 19, 2009, 09:04:30 am

Quote from: Heliosphere on September 19, 2009, 08:47:04 am

First I'll say I'm not a fast typer, so forgive my short answers, that's an elecrical joke, short, get it, settle down class, the laughing might upset the class next door. What's a T.L.E book?

A text book would be a good idea, we would a frame of reference in which to study.

Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Maplen13 on September 19, 2009, 09:14:20 am

Look at my last post upon my Subject.

Ah yes.. I should get it right now, also can you also teach me carpentry? Really also interested with building a such.

Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Legodac on September 19, 2009, 09:21:25 am

Quote from: Heliosphere on September 19, 2009, 09:14:20 am

Look at my last post upon my Subject.

Got it, Can you name all or some of the chapters, if the book sounds good I'll buy it and have it shipped to me, so we'll both have one. If there's a chapter on house wiring, describe page one.

Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Maplen13 on September 19, 2009, 09:34:35 am

sorry, it is in B.E.C or Basic Education Curriculum which doesn't give much, just on the electron theory, the different kinds of Electric Circuits, Electrical sysmbols, tools and equipment, Schematic symbols of electronic components, identifying diagrams, electric project construction.... and this is only the second year book... but none a less I would say that this book wouldn't go anywhere. Carpentry, Carpentry...... sorry, I've just been interested in that. I have so many things to learn. :D

Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Legodac on September 19, 2009, 09:45:06 am

Quote from: Heliosphere on September 19, 2009, 09:34:35 am

Excelent, now I need to know what you have access to in the way of tools and electrical materials so we can get started on your first Electrical Shop project, which I can describe to you in detail, once finished you'll have a better understanding of simple home wiring

Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Maplen13 on September 19, 2009, 09:49:56 am

Well... my dad was once an electrician or was it technician in the navy, he said, and I could still see him do things that are technical, but those are just new to me.

I could ask my dad about those.. but he come home after he said he would do stuff at some place, and that it is still 11:02 PM, where is he?

Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Legodac on September 19, 2009, 10:31:35 am

Here's a project I did back in trade school. Typical household wiring and the symbols used. This is standard practice for an apprentice. But we should begin with a little theory as well, (i'm still trying to find my equation cards)

(http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv176/legodac/IMG_0001.jpg)

Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Maplen13 on September 19, 2009, 10:36:10 am

Wow.... amazing...

The second one in the bottom, those are Schematics of Electronic Components in the household am I correct? Can you tell me the different components of different symbols? also is there any capacitors?

Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Legodac on September 19, 2009, 10:45:36 am

Quote from: Heliosphere on September 19, 2009, 10:36:10 am

S1 denotes a single pole switch, this device turns something on or off
S3 denotes a 3-way swich, allowing you to turn something on or off from 2 different locations
S4 denotes a 4-way switch which allows control from multiple locations, I wonder if the mods can give us a Blackboard?

Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Maplen13 on September 19, 2009, 10:47:54 am

Ah.. yes... It would be too difficult to put since it is in drawing.

Well there is a chat though that give out well.... A doodle, but I don't think that would be the best idea..

Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Legodac on September 20, 2009, 08:54:36 am

This seems like the best place to start, with some notes on safety

Safety
Safety is of utmost importance when working with electricity. Develop safe work habits and stick to them. Be very careful with electricity. It may be invisible, but it can be dangerous if not understood and respected.

1.Safety glasses or goggles should be worn whenever power tools are used, especially if you wear contact lenses.
2.Make sure the power is off at the breaker box before doing any electrical work
3.Always work in a dean, dry area free from anything wet.
4.Wires should only be connected at accessible junction boxes. Never splice wires together and conceal them within a wall without a junction box.
5.Never attempt to strip wires with a knife. Aside from endangering your fingers, you will nick the wire metal, which will create an electrical hazard.
6.Ground fault circuit interrupter outlets should be used under damp conditions (basements, bathrooms, outdoors, etc.), as required by the National Electric Code.
7.Don't create fire hazards by overloading an outlet or an extension cord.
8.Avoid electrical shock by mapping and marking your switch and outlet boxes. Put the map on the door of the main power service panel.
9.Leave a warning message that you are working on the circuit at the service panel, and tape the circuit breaker in the off position. With a fuse box, take the fuse out
10.Never change the size of a fuse or breaker in a circuit.
11.Be certain your connector is CO/ALR rated when you splice aluminum wire. If it is marked CU/ALR, use only copper wire. Do not use aluminum wire with push terminals; use only copper or copper-dad aluminum wire.
12.Always correct the problem that caused a fuse or circuit breaker to blow before replacing the fuse or circuit breaker.
13.Replace wiring that shows signs of fraying or deterioration.
14.Avoid breaking your knuckles by bracing the powerful right-angle drill so that it cannot spin around if it gets stuck while drilling.
15.Before working with wires or electrical connections, check them with a voltage tester to be sure they are dead.
16.Plumbing and gas pipes are often used to ground electrical systems. Never touch them while working with electricity.
17.Don't use metal ladders with overhead electricity.
18.Use the proper protection, take precautions, and plan ahead. Never by-pass safety to save money or to rush a project

Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Maplen13 on September 20, 2009, 09:06:00 am

Ah, it seems interesting and fun.... And I knew my dad saying about America using 110, and the Philippines 220, which this computer is using, while my American made monitor in 110.

I will get imedeately my Microsoft office onenote.

Wow.... Nice safety precautions, need to heave that warnings.

Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Legodac on September 20, 2009, 12:13:28 pm

I saw that onenote thing, not sure what it is, here's my attempt at getting a simle layout here, if it works we'll move on

(http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv176/legodac/IMG-1.jpg)

Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Maplen13 on September 20, 2009, 12:14:34 pm

Oooh... Am I guessing we are going first to do schematics, and symbols of electronic objects, and etc towards any object?

Also any chance in this subject we will learn Architecture and Carpentry, or is that another Subject all together?

Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Legodac on September 20, 2009, 12:19:36 pm

Quote from: Heliosphere on September 20, 2009, 12:14:34 pm

This shop class we'll cover it all

Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Maplen13 on September 20, 2009, 12:23:17 pm

Oh my, that's real amazing.... so about that layout thing? And what is it for?

Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Legodac on September 20, 2009, 02:04:22 pm

ok, I think we should begin a little more simply here while I try to figure out my new smartdraw program.

Class is in, you're first assignment is an easy one, through words or diagrams, explain how one would go about running a new receptacle from your panel, through open wall studs in your basement, also on this same 15 amp circuit will be a single light and a switch to control it (to assess your present knowledge).

Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Maplen13 on September 21, 2009, 07:37:10 am

Wouldn't it also depend where your basement is located near the panel? Because... I never went to a basement before...

ehehehe... I am not getting this *Scratches head* :-\

Hmm.... A panel, then a plug, a 15amp circuit, and a lighting, is everything in the same room, or most importantly in the same basement?

Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Legodac on September 21, 2009, 07:58:39 am

I need you to wing it, I'll give you an example, the phone rings at D/A/C Electric, some lady says she needs her water heater hooked up. I drive over and head for the basement with a hank of 12/2, my pouch of tools a carryall with some material, screws connectors etc and a 20 amp 2-pole breaker suited for the panel. Regional Electrical Code Books tell us many do's and don'ts, so you need that as well to do things right. By the time you actually hook something up, this book will be in your head and you won't need to carry it around with you.

Be creative, when you've finished I'll show what I would have done and that is the best way to learn, trying to do it yourself first

Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Maplen13 on September 21, 2009, 08:12:23 am

I'm sorry, but that was just plain gibberish to me

(sigh) fine...

What I would do, is..... have the panel, get the new receptacle, plug them, put the lighting bulb thing attached to on of the wires connected to the panel socket, through that same circuit running through the basement, I will hook it to a lighting switch and back into the panel.

Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Legodac on September 21, 2009, 08:20:09 am

Go to post 22 and wing it, try, make an effort to do what is asked, do you know what 14/2 is? Or are they just teaching math nowadays?

Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Maplen13 on September 21, 2009, 08:23:04 am

um... I don't know what those are, because that book I have is for a Philippine basic curriculum which isn't in America Standard..

Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Legodac on September 21, 2009, 08:34:38 am

Quote from: Heliosphere on September 21, 2009, 08:23:04 am

um... I don't know what those are, because that book I have is for a Philippine basic curriculum which isn't in America Standard..

Allright, since we're talking about wiring, we'll start with WIRE..

14/2 is the most common, the #14 denotes the guage of the wire, it has the ability to carry 15 amps of power, although in Canada, you're only allowed to load any circuit or device to 80% of it's value, which means the 14/2 is allowed 12 amps maximum load. The 2 denotes conductor amount, you have a white (neutral wire) and a line wire(the power in black). There is also a bare copper 14 AWG (American Wire Guage) wire in the 14/2 cable. The sheath comes in many forms from house wiring to direct burial to armoured to ship building. NMD-7 is a standard household wire and the only one you need for the project.

Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Maplen13 on September 21, 2009, 09:00:47 am

Ok.. could dig into more with the basics and then to the homework, to bring that knowledge to implement it.

Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Legodac on September 21, 2009, 09:24:13 am

Quote from: Heliosphere on September 21, 2009, 09:00:47 am

Ok.. could dig into more with the basics and then to the homework, to bring that knowledge to implement it.

You're procrastinating, NP, let's continue with wire and cable, Oh btw, WTDB Wire and cable?
We have an endless amount of types and guages and conductor amount of wires in this Trade...

Low Voltage Wire (low voltage is 50 V. A/C to 750 volts A/c)

14/2 good for 15 amps maximum load capacity ( load to 80% only unless your're using aluminium, in which case only 70% is allowed) 2 conductors a neutral and a bare ground wire. Sheath is optional aswell.
14/3 15 MLC (loading allways applies to 80% copper and 70% ALU) 3 cond. 2- line and one neutral, great for kitchen splits and 3- way switching.
14/4 less common, never used it yet unless in speaker wire with stranded copper
12/2, the white wire acts as a line too, when hooking upm a water heater, usually 240 volt 20 amp, 16 is your max here, always read the nameplate to know what you're hooking up
12/3 NMW/U is a common direct burial for backyard wiring
10/3 feeds your dryer, that's a 30 amp wire with a neutral aswell and a 12 guage, for a ground
8/3 stranded feeds your 40 amp stove
14/2 feeds your fridge and it has a breaker all to itself...

Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Maplen13 on September 21, 2009, 10:00:03 am

I know I'm procrastinating, since it's 11:10PM in a School Night, So I don't want to be late waking up.. and I'm real confused. But as well, I will be taking notes. And drinking lots of oragne juice.

Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Legodac on September 26, 2009, 07:59:31 am

You mentioned you wanted to get a little architecture traing, well I'm not building a house, but today I'm putting on a second story to our dog bunker, in the dog pen.

I'll take some pictures and share them with you later this evening, I'll be fun, not so much from a design aspect, but more of a lesson in power tools, simple and effective contstruction and practicality.

I'm going to post this now and return shortly with a few pics of the current dog bunker, I'll also show you the tree house I made years ago, which I tore down last year due to "Team Inactivity", haha, lol (my grandson wants me to build another, never should have torn it down, I wasn't thinking about future generations).

PhotoBucket is slow now, I'll show the tree house later, for now, here's the dog bunker, now I'm off to my buddy's place to pick up some lumber..

(http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv176/legodac/IMG_2027.jpg)

I didn't keep my promise, My Bad? We got some more material though from Rob'S Reno. If you want to talk about architecture, well here it is, this boy, my friend and boss, knows building, lookclosely, these pics really tell a story. I'm hoping to do the dog pen thing Sunday, we'll see eh...

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Here's a few more, a picture tells a thousand words..........

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Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Maplen13 on October 03, 2009, 01:12:25 pm

Amazing :o :o

(http://www.emoticonzone.com/msn-emotions/animated/clap.gif) I applaud, and wish you can teach me the basis of doing architecture and/or carpentry.

Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Legodac on October 03, 2009, 02:13:37 pm

Quote from: Maplen13 on October 03, 2009, 01:12:25 pm

Amazing :o :o

(http://www.emoticonzone.com/msn-emotions/animated/clap.gif) I applaud, and wish you can teach me the basis of doing architecture and/or carpentry.

Welcome back buddy, I may be able to do that, simple stuff to start, we have to start with a single piece of wood, a 2 by 4 8 feet long, explain to me how you would build a box to hold your lego, if you need a longer 2 by 4 then take it, plywood goes on after

Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Maplen13 on October 03, 2009, 02:52:59 pm

Hmm, i'll be creative in this, I would first cut the 2 x 4 and cut it in half, and when I mean half by its side, this would give me, smaller 2 x 4s which I would cut in half again but in the front/back length, to give me four different same size wood, that I can nail or glue to have a box in equal sizes with a hole to put my legos in.

Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Legodac on April 25, 2010, 05:50:46 am

A very dear friend of mine has asked a question, I'm answering...

THE HOME EC AND SHOP TEACHER HAS RETURNED

Title: Re: Home Economics and Shop Class
Post by: Legodac on July 23, 2011, 05:41:20 pm

Let's see if we can make it work this time,

My LEGO Nexus Organization

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