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« Reply #120 on: May 19, 2010, 10:07:38 pm »

Nobody wants illegal immigration. I think we're all quite much in favor of legal immigration.

But we must respect federal law in this case. It is not a single state's issue, it is a federal issue.
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« Reply #121 on: May 19, 2010, 10:13:01 pm »

I thought that was what this debate was about...
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« Reply #122 on: May 19, 2010, 11:58:19 pm »

It is.

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« Reply #123 on: May 20, 2010, 12:20:21 am »

The Arizona immigration law has come to the forefront of the immigration debate lately, so it's a natural point of discussion.
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« Reply #124 on: May 20, 2010, 01:08:16 am »

I believe the states have a right to decide if they want to enforce or even make stricter immigration laws. Especially those on the border.
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« Reply #125 on: May 20, 2010, 09:02:40 pm »

But then, it may cause separation between the states for these immigration laws, in which, is unconstitutional as stated in (I believe) Article VII.
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« Reply #126 on: May 21, 2010, 02:37:17 am »

I got this from a friend of mine that lives near the border.
Tour the Beautiful Sonoran Desert in Arizona

We in Arizona, know you’re boycotting us — but you really should come out here and see our Beautiful Sonoran Desert.

It’s just gorgeous right now! We know you’d love it and maybe you can share what you saw with the rest of the country so they can love it too!


This is on an ‘illegal super-highway’ from Mexico to the USA (Tucson) used by human smugglers.

This area is located in a wash, approximately 1.5 miles long, just south of Tucson, Arizona. If a flood came, all this would be washed to the river and then out to sea!


It is estimated that over 5,000 discarded backpacks are in this wash, as well as countless water containers, food wrappers, articles of clothing, condoms, feces, including thousands of soiled baby diapers. And as you can see in this picture, fresh footprints leading right into it.



As we kept walking down the wash, we thought for sure it was going to end, but around every corner was more and more trash!



And of course the trail leading out of the wash into our city, heads directly NORTH to Tucson, then leads to your town tomorrow.


They’ve already come through here. Isn’t Arizona just beautiful America? Why would you boycott us???

Our desert has basically been turned into a landfill.


The trash left behind by people illegally crossing our border is another Environmental Disaster to hit the USA .

If these actions had been done in one of our Northwest Forests or Seashore National Parks areas, there would be an uprising of the American people — but this is the Arizona – Mexican border.

You won’t see these pictures on CNN, ABC, NBC or the Arizona Republic newspaper. Nor will they mention the disease that comes from the uncovered human waste left in our desert.

However, with respect to CNN, ABC & NBC, they do offer us *Special Reports* on cheating celebrity spouses.
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« Reply #127 on: May 21, 2010, 09:06:13 am »

How do we know that was actually caused by illegal immigrants?
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« Reply #128 on: May 21, 2010, 11:59:35 am »

I'll say.... it could just be from some drunk teens or something. Tongue

But seriously, what if some guy is just dumping his trash in a ditch and placing footprints there, and then just posts pictures of it, claiming illegal immigrants did it?
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« Reply #129 on: May 21, 2010, 01:28:49 pm »

Mexican product packaging, plus it is in the "Immigration Highway" zone.

And seriously, what guy would dump thousands of BACKPACKS
?? Please. lets not get absurd. That goes for teens too... how many of them wear baby diapers...or would throw away backpacks??

Also, on the http://www.azgfd.gov/ Arizona Game and Fish Department website, a .pdf was published in 2006 which describes the Sonoran Desert. When listing the Major Stressors Affecting Habitat (Element 3), the first category in the list is “Border Issues” described as the following:

Stressor Category: Border issues

        * Illegal dumping/littering along the border
        * Unauthorized roads & trails created by illegal immigrants and smugglers
        * Dispersed camping along the border
        * Enforcement activities along the border

Also, on the website http://desertinvasion.us they display many other photographs detailing similar images. These photos have detailed descriptions as to when and where they were taken.  http://www.desertinvasion.us/invasion_pictures/invasion.html
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« Reply #130 on: May 21, 2010, 02:48:00 pm »

So then, what do you propose to do about illegal immigrants within existing laws?
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« Reply #131 on: May 21, 2010, 03:01:23 pm »

Mexican product packaging, plus it is in the "Immigration Highway" zone.

And seriously, what guy would dump thousands of BACKPACKS
?? Please. lets not get absurd. That goes for teens too... how many of them wear baby diapers...or would throw away backpacks??

Also, on the http://www.azgfd.gov/ Arizona Game and Fish Department website, a .pdf was published in 2006 which describes the Sonoran Desert. When listing the Major Stressors Affecting Habitat (Element 3), the first category in the list is “Border Issues” described as the following:

Stressor Category: Border issues

        * Illegal dumping/littering along the border
        * Unauthorized roads & trails created by illegal immigrants and smugglers
        * Dispersed camping along the border
        * Enforcement activities along the border

Also, on the website http://desertinvasion.us they display many other photographs detailing similar images. These photos have detailed descriptions as to when and where they were taken.  http://www.desertinvasion.us/invasion_pictures/invasion.html

..then, if those are absurd, how about a garbage dump? Everything you see on the internet and tv aren't always true.
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« Reply #132 on: May 21, 2010, 03:02:47 pm »

Enforce the existing laws. Empower State and City authorities to order deportation, Build effective fences in problem areas. SanDiego has a good example..
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5323928

Stop giving more than one time assistance to undocumented families. Establish a database so they cannot abuse the system.

Raise the limit for legal immigration, but require some English in order to do so. ( Every vendor in Mexico speaks English at some level. Establish a 6 month or more probationary period during which time they find a job and a place to live. Require that they complete a free English language class during their probationary stage. Additionally, have case officers assigned to both assist and check up on these people.

Stop printing everything in Spanish, or requiring schools to teach classes bilingually. ALLOW them to, but do not require it.

Deport existing illegal aliens, unless they pay a back income tax of the national low-average for their size family for the number of years they have been found to be here, no less than 1 and no more than 10.

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Edit.. Indy, those are US Government websites.. not some posers blog.
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« Reply #133 on: May 22, 2010, 09:43:36 am »

Ok, this is kinda getting off-topic. How ironic. Tongue Roll Eyes

Anyway, shouldn't kids get to try to at least learn a different language? I am no hypocrite, because I can speak German; I took a class this past year, and have worked hard at it.

But then again, you say it should be a choice. But then, shouldn't parents make the choice? Why the kids? Is it not true that parents overrule their child's opinion to a degree of reasoning, especially when it comes to education and their own well-being?

Also, do we have literal proof of the pictures that you took that these are real? What if the government is lying? This can happen *cough, Obama, cough*. Tongue
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« Reply #134 on: May 22, 2010, 07:24:13 pm »

Gimme a break Indy... everyone is lying but the people who are illegal??? I do not think so.

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« Reply #135 on: May 22, 2010, 08:05:36 pm »

I'm sure no one thinks a thought about my opinion, guess what, I'm gonna give it to you anyway.

ILLEGAL ALIENS IN THE USA, I truly think the USA should be made illegal, I'm tired of politicians, and car salesman, and irate grocery checker outers.

Really, I'm serious, the whole world needs to lighten up.

The US is our so called guiding light, for the whole world, so why is it that Canada still keeps the doors open to those who truly want to be free. Don't answer with facts, answer from your heart.

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« Reply #136 on: May 22, 2010, 08:27:42 pm »

So I just watched a video where a private contractor hired six illegals and had them build a 20-foot-long sample of the border fence. It took eight hours to complete and three minutes to void.

Two of the men cut through the fence with pliers in under a minute and just crawled right through.

Long story short, you can build the fence, but it isn't going to stop people who want to get in.
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« Reply #137 on: May 22, 2010, 08:32:45 pm »

Cool statement, but remember, they aren't just trying to get in, they may be trying to get away...a life we don't understand, as of yet..
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« Reply #138 on: May 22, 2010, 09:08:39 pm »

A very good point, I did not think of it that way.
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« Reply #139 on: May 22, 2010, 10:47:05 pm »

I had.. from talking to many who came here LEGALLY.. including the nice man with 5 kids who delivers my paper. 
Let them come... but let them do it LEGALLY, become citizens, learn the language of the country, pay taxes, and vote.

Oh, and SDK.. I think I finally got your question about languages.. it is the cost of having a translator in every class that keeps many schools from having a budget for sports, music and arts programs.. does that make sense??

The quality of our education should be raised, not diminished. If this continues, we will one day no longer be a country anyone wants to come to.

Oh, yes..legodac.. how about if we send 6 illegal families up to live in your yard and be supported by you then, would that be ok? You might have to cut back on your LEGO budget tho.. or food...
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