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« on: September 14, 2011, 02:23:36 pm »

OK, so while playing Truth's Rosewater RPG, I've run into a couple of situations involving my characters.  This project, which will be revealed when my Rosewater characters' identities are revealed, deals with those situations in a specific, entertaining way.  While this particular one only applies to Rosewater, this concept (when revealed) could easily extend to ANY RPG with the "no PC death without permission" rule, so stay tuned! Evil

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I've noticed that, in several RPGs, characters do stupid things.  Really stupid things.  Fatally stupid things.  Or at least, they would be, if it weren't for the "no PC death without permission" rule.  Now, while this is great for players, it can be difficult for GMs (Game Masters) to figure out ways to rescue the characters from their own actions, and it can also lead to player characters coming off as--well, invincible.  Worse, in RPGs where the characters are trying to unmask a murderer (like Rosewater), attempts to kill player characters must automatically fail due to the rule, which can (if players and GMs aren't careful) become anticlimactic.  So how to balance the safety of PCs with the dramatic tension of risk?  Presenting...the Second Chance!

I borrowed this concept from the Nancy Drew computer games; in the games, the player (as Nancy Drew) must solve mysteries, sometimes engaging in dangerous activities like climbing a cliff or rewiring electronic systems.  In these games, if a player fails an important challenge, or just makes a seriously foolish decision (i.e. clicking on the man-eating plant too many times or deliberately walking off a cliff), the player sees the result of their actions, and then are given a "Second Chance" to go back to the point just before the poor choice and make a better one.

So how does this work in the text-based RPGs here??  I'll give an example:

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The mysterious figure walked over to a wall, pressed a spot on the wall (which looked no different than the rest of the wall), and entered the secret passageway that was revealed.
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Suddenly, Bob felt wetness on the front of his shirt.  As he looked down, he realized it was blood.  Lots of blood.  He collapsed to the floor, as his vision narrowed and then disappeared entirely...

You have made a fatal error.  Try again?


At this point, the player can accept the death, and continue play with a new character, or they can post a different action for their character in response to the fatal choice.  (The GM can include special instructions, such as how many posts back the player needs to go, etc. in an OOC or via PM.)  If the player chooses to alter their choice, the fatal choice and its consequences are moved to a [Second Chance] topic; i.e. the Second Chance topic for Rosewater could be titled "Rosewater: Second Chances [RPG][Second Chance]" or "Rosewater: The Rose's Thorn [RPG][Second Chance]".

Players, of course, have infinite second chances, as long as they wish to keep playing with that character.

NOTE: GMs may allow Second Chances in PvP situations at their discretion, however I personally would limit this power to the GM, leaving players to continue PvP the way they always have, to discourage potential godmode abuse. Wink  Also, keep in mind that this system subtly alters the tone of the RPG, so if you want to make tweaks for your own, go right ahead.  Have fun! Wink
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« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2011, 03:08:41 pm »

Concept? Entertaining thing? This sounds intriguing. =)
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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2011, 06:27:36 pm »

OK, I edited the info into the first post!  What do you guys think?
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« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2011, 06:31:10 pm »

That brings an interesting new idea to how TB RPGs are typically handled... I like it.

I don't know how soon I'd adapt it into my own RPGs; HOWEVER! You gave me an idea. >=D
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« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2011, 06:35:52 pm »

Rosewater now uses this idea.  Evil
except, I don't really see the need for a topic listing incorrect choices...
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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2011, 06:38:55 pm »

It's basically so it doesn't clog up the true canon, but the alternate future is recorded. Wink I think; Flipz might have a better explanation.

Also, definitely expect something in the future that utilizes this idea to maximum potential.
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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2011, 08:06:23 pm »

It's basically so it doesn't clog up the true canon, but the alternate future is recorded. Wink I think; Flipz might have a better explanation.

No, that's pretty much it.  Plus, it allows players to remind each other of their past epic fails look back and learn from their characters' poor actions.

And yeah, I don't think I'd ever see this used in, say, DoaH or S.H.I.R.A. Squad, but maybe for Skies of Data or Rise of Heroes it would work, with tweaks. Wink
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« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2011, 08:07:19 pm »

Making a second chance topic for Centurion, since Blade already died once...
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« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2011, 08:07:51 pm »

=P Or the fact that an RPG is Nintendo Hard. =P

/EDIT: It's true. I was caught off guard. =p

Flipz: Skies it could definitely be used in, but in a way that wouldn't necessarily need a reboot. =P

But I can see an RPG totally planned around it. Wink
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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2011, 08:21:55 pm »

Making a second chance topic for Centurion, since Blade already died once...

 ROTFL! ROTFL! ROTFL! ROTFL! ROTFL! ROTFL!

Hehehehe...this I must read. Tongue
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« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2011, 08:23:45 pm »

Yes, you must. =P A blob of death killed me to death. =P
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Killed you TWICE. Tongue
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« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2011, 08:25:44 pm »

It's the fridge. Always the fridge. =P Should've known better with it's poison fangs. =P
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« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2011, 08:28:56 pm »

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« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2011, 08:29:38 pm »

Heh, this is gonna turn into King's Quest, isn't it?  Evil Tongue
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xD Nice. xD

And what do I do? Go right back to do it again. I'm worse than a GoldenEye noob who gets owned by a sniper camper, and runs right back to get owned again!

Flipz: King's Quest? =P
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« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2011, 08:44:44 pm »

Yep. Sounds about right.

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« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2011, 09:20:20 pm »

S.H.I.R.A Squad will not be using the second chance system. However, Rosewater and Centurion do use it.
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« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2011, 10:39:15 pm »

 I'll use parts of this for Rise of Heroes. However, suicide missions are going to be a common reoccurence, seeing as the point of this RPG is to rise to the fabled position of Hero. I think that the parts I'm using though are kinda already in there. =P
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