Pokémon General Discussion

[The Truth]

in fact, almost every gold version made failed looooooooong before the silver and crystal versions.
yes, but you cannot deny that Kanto seemed half-built. I mean, look at the soul house, where other rooms are mentioned and you cannot enter them. or the underground, or the safari zone, or the kanto radio tower..

[Magical Girl Mimi]

Gotta split that huge post of yours into pieces. =P First: That's actually kind of ironic when you think about it. xD

Second: True, but why else would four Johto Pokemon seem to have a starring role in a movie, that could've been used to house a gen five Pokemon or two?

Three: Yeah, I heard the speculative community on Serebii got itself all ready. =P

Four: I agree. And maybe give battles a bit more speed like in Plat, and speed the running shoes up a bit more?(Also, is it just me, or does the Bike seem slower in fourth gear compared to Diamond and Pearl? =/)

Five: I heard that Kanto got massively downsized in G/S/C... But, I'm pretty sure with the amount of space the DS has compared to the Game Boy Colour games, they could fit both an enhanced Johto, an enhanced Kanto that is a bit upgraded, and possibly maybe an additional thing?

Dudebot: You must be another of the victims of the dead internal battery, I think that's a side effect of it... =/ But, that'll help =P

Herochild: You sure? I thought they all died around the same time except for Crystals, which were released later, and probably worked more.

Don't forget Viridian Forest and Mount Moon.

[The Truth]

very sure. all of the gold versions that I bought died after a few days, (they were already old), my silver version still works fine, and so does my crystal, and at the used game store near me, they have almost 20 dead gold versions compared to 4 dead silver versions.

[The Host]

If they do remake G/S/C(well, maybe not C cause it's a remake, but it'd be nice) I hope they include Kanto, but have an exceptionnaly well done Johto. Having a battle frontier would be nice, but they could include that in the Sevii islands, so as to not disturb Johto, but add on to FR/LG. And Mt Silver returning would be a must.
I think my team in a Johto version would be: (brackets contain pkmn that were added after G/S/C were released, but were evolutions of GSC pkmn)
Feraligatr
Murkrow(Honchcrow)
Ursaring
Tyranitar
Magmar(Magmortar)
Electabuzz(Electivire)

...turned out a lot like my current team, sadly... Maybe I'm just not original, or I've forgotten about a lot of the GSC pkmn...

[Ddude The Insane]

Hm...maybe you should go to Bulbapedia and see the Johto Dex.

[B~T]

If they do remake G/S/C(well, maybe not C cause it's a remake, but it'd be nice) I hope they include Kanto, but have an exceptionnaly well done Johto. Having a battle frontier would be nice, but they could include that in the Sevii islands, so as to not disturb Johto, but add on to FR/LG. And Mt Silver returning would be a must.
I think my team in a Johto version would be: (brackets contain pkmn that were added after G/S/C were released, but were evolutions of GSC pkmn)
Feraligatr
Murkrow(Honchcrow)
Ursaring
Tyranitar
Magmar(Magmortar)
Electabuzz(Electivire)

...turned out a lot like my current team, sadly... Maybe I'm just not original, or I've forgotten about a lot of the GSC pkmn...

To avoid repetition of types, you can replace Murkrow with Misdreavus, and evolve it into a Mismagius (65/65/65/105/105/105 I think) (BTW, the stats are in HP/Atck/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe order). And replace Ursaring with Furret since Furret has better Speed XD </JK> Furret's a fairly weak Pokemon.

Anyways, to replace Ursaring is Gligar, which can evolve into Gliscor (75/95/125/45/75/95). Better typing despite 4x weakness to Ice, and if it has Sand Veil, you can use Tyranitar's Sand Stream ability to activate Sand Veil. It also acts as a Defensive Wall.

You might consider trading Magmortar for Scizor (70/130/100/55/80/65), since you really can't find many opportunities to use Fire attacks.

These are just my recommendations to remove your team from common weaknesses, particularly Ground. 

[Ddude The Insane]

I agree,B~T. However,although i appreciate Tyranitar,with a pathetic Base Speed of 61,a Fighting type without even great speed,even a tough Fighting type move could expose the 4x weakness to the fighting type. Also,despite the high power,Rock and Dark types are not all that effective(although i do give Rhyperior and Drapion props),even in wake of the high-power stab you get from moves like Stone Edge and Crunch,and high Attack Stats. Tyranitar is no doubt powerful,with total Base Stats of 600,but with such a low Base Speed,you could easily be exposed.

On the other hand,if you encourage it's defense a bit,maybe with some EVs or a helpful nature,you could take advantage of the situation and use it effectivly,with stats among only the pseudo-legendary and Legendary.

So,in conclusion,a great Pokemon,but only on a high level if you train it correctly.

I decided to can Slaking,also eliminating a need for Alakazam. I decided on the widely-used Gyarados,problem is,I CANNOT FIND AN ADAMANT GYARADOS.

[lionytai]

I mention a sliver of a GSDS debate, I leave for a bit, and I come back to this. >__> 

I would like to note that aside from the internal "From Johto" data, everything noted upon is pure speculation.  It could lend itself as a form of advertising and such, but by no means does it mean anything.  For example, people have stated that the fact that Reggie's Badges have been shown on screen, particularly his Johto Badges, means there will be a Johto remake.  That's just as likely to say about a Hoenn remake.  It's all speculation, in my opinion. 

Of course, the difference this time around is that there's a lot more speculative evidence than there has been before.  One can not deny, not even myself, that there is far more speculative evidence than before.  The stars certainly do seem to align for this event.  And most of the general community is reacting differently this time around.  The majority concensus is believing this time around that it actually will be a GSDS remake. 

I honestly wouldn't care about what features are added or not.  What I care about most are two things.  The first is that they make Johto live up to its name.  If it doesn't give Johto the respect it deserves, I don't want it.  Many of the younger members might not know what Johto was all about.  I'll be frank.  My first Pokemon game ever was Crystal version.  I loved it.  G/S/C was the best set of games Game Freak has done for Pokemon, in my opinion.  D/P/P make a close second, but Johto remains my all-time favorite.  And the thing is, most fans agree the same way with me.  They consider Johto to be the best of all games and regions, and they want there to either be spectacular remakes that give Johto justice, or no remakes at all. 

The second thing I want is that they put more attention and focus on Johto.  In G/S/C, they put more focus on Kanto than they did on Johto.  It was hard to find a lot of flaws in G/S/C, and most of the fanbase agrees that the biggest flaw was that there wasn't enough focus on Johto.  If they did they games the justice they deserve, and put more focus on Johto, I'll be content.

i only have a silver gameboy

[Magical Girl Mimi]

I decided to can Slaking,also eliminating a need for Alakazam. I decided on the widely-used Gyarados,problem is,I CANNOT FIND AN ADAMANT GYARADOS.

Just breed a Magikarp/Gyarados with an Adamant Ditto holding an everstone, or just breed it with any ditto, and hope you get lucky. All natures you're looking for takes time unless you use the natured ditto everstone thing

[lionytai]

I gto my silver in 2001..acutally my dad go ti for me. i was like , 4 or 5?? I didn't even know ho w to save gme until i was 7! i started playing at 6 i think

[Ddude The Insane]

Wow,if he believes it,i believe it.

[Dudebot5000]

I think him beliving in it almost confirims it, j/k lol. =P

But yeah, I would definately get the new version, should it come out. Nintendo/GF would have to be insane to not follow through on this.

[The Host]

Hm...maybe you should go to Bulbapedia and see the Johto Dex.

lol. I should, or go to my emerald version where I completed the dex(... with an AR...)

If they do remake G/S/C(well, maybe not C cause it's a remake, but it'd be nice) I hope they include Kanto, but have an exceptionnaly well done Johto. Having a battle frontier would be nice, but they could include that in the Sevii islands, so as to not disturb Johto, but add on to FR/LG. And Mt Silver returning would be a must.
I think my team in a Johto version would be: (brackets contain pkmn that were added after G/S/C were released, but were evolutions of GSC pkmn)
Feraligatr
Murkrow(Honchcrow)
Ursaring
Tyranitar
Magmar(Magmortar)
Electabuzz(Electivire)

...turned out a lot like my current team, sadly... Maybe I'm just not original, or I've forgotten about a lot of the GSC pkmn...

To avoid repetition of types, you can replace Murkrow with Misdreavus, and evolve it into a Mismagius (65/65/65/105/105/105 I think) (BTW, the stats are in HP/Atck/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe order). And replace Ursaring with Furret since Furret has better Speed XD </JK> Furret's a fairly weak Pokemon.

Anyways, to replace Ursaring is Gligar, which can evolve into Gliscor (75/95/125/45/75/95). Better typing despite 4x weakness to Ice, and if it has Sand Veil, you can use Tyranitar's Sand Stream ability to activate Sand Veil. It also acts as a Defensive Wall.

You might consider trading Magmortar for Scizor (70/130/100/55/80/65), since you really can't find many opportunities to use Fire attacks.

These are just my recommendations to remove your team from common weaknesses, particularly Ground. 

...I forgot about Scisor, even though I just EV trained a scisor in Plat which is now lv 93...
Okay, so: Feraligatr, Gliscor, Tyranitar, Scizor, Electivire and Mismagius/Ursaring/Skarmory <-(forgot about that one... resistant to 2 types, and has steel type. Great wall.)

[Magical Girl Mimi]

Johto Dex=Pokemon numbered 1-251. They never had regional Pokedexes back then.

[lionytai]

Johto Dex=Pokemon numbered 1-251. They never had regional Pokedexes back then.

if youu mean G/S/C, you're right. but you can see which Pokemon appears at where.

I wonder how I could get Number 251.

[Magical Girl Mimi]

You can only get number 251, Celebi, by hacking or going to the over by many years event in the states/wherever they do events. Though, there's speculation that if there are GS Remakes, they'll release Celebi somehow. Which I hope they do, because it'll be one of the only ones I'll be missing in my Living Dex(Which, might I add, is up to 386 or so Pokemon owned =)).

[lionytai]

Ah never mind, i don't play the gameboy a lot now. I wouldn't play unless my brother played XD

[The Truth]

You can only get number 251, Celebi, by hacking or going to the over by many years event in the states/wherever they do events. Though, there's speculation that if there are GS Remakes, they'll release Celebi somehow. Which I hope they do, because it'll be one of the only ones I'll be missing in my Living Dex(Which, might I add, is up to 386 or so Pokemon owned =)).

I'm lucky-I went to the tenth anniversary convention and got Celebi. but it knows a HM move, so I need to know where the Fire Red/Leaf Green Move Deleter is before I can import it.

[Ddude The Insane]

Yeah....it is like impossible to get!

I have never been to an event for a special Pokemon-but i will get Arceus if it kills me. And ifwhen they do the GSDS thing,i am going to try and get Celebi,event or no event.

I think in G/S/C you have to get th GS Ball and take it to that forest...

[Magical Girl Mimi]

You can only get number 251, Celebi, by hacking or going to the over by many years event in the states/wherever they do events. Though, there's speculation that if there are GS Remakes, they'll release Celebi somehow. Which I hope they do, because it'll be one of the only ones I'll be missing in my Living Dex(Which, might I add, is up to 386 or so Pokemon owned =)).

I'm lucky-I went to the tenth anniversary convention and got Celebi. but it knows a HM move, so I need to know where the Fire Red/Leaf Green Move Deleter is before I can import it.

Fuchsia City

I have never been to an event for a special Pokemon-but i will get Arceus if it kills me.

Same, except, I'll just wait for the wi-fi event/event item if it happens.

And ifwhen they do the GSDS thing,i am going to try and get Celebi,event or no event.

Same, and hopefully it happens over Wi-Fi.

I think in G/S/C you have to get th GS Ball and take it to that forest...

Only Crystal, item didn't exist in G/S I don't think.

/EDIT: ... Hmm. So, the Platinum series of Special recently started it seems, and it seems to be interesting from the summaries... Also, even more interesting, it apparently mentions that there's a Battle Tower in Hoenn and Johto, but since it could just be referencing past events, since it's been to Johto before in the G/S/C arc... That's probably all it is.