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I would probably give up umbreon, due to it being much worse in-game than any of the others, even flareon. It is not too great in competitive/battle subway, compared to espeon, jolteon, vaporeon, or even leafeon in the sun, though that is not a huge concern to me.

And flareon has a great 130 attack, even though it's movepool is limited, and 95 special attack isn't too bad, especially in-game. Umbreon had 65 attack and 60 special attack, and defensive pokemon are not too useful in-game, or even the battle frontier/subway. Mean look baton pass is a very cool idea, though I don't think I will be doing a team like that.

And as far as dream world abilities, ice body vs snow cloak on glaceon is very irrelevant, for leafeon I want chlorophyl (this one could go either way), espeon magic bounce, and the elemental stone evolutions the non dream world abilities. You get dream world abilities from hidden hollows, though I could easily just skip that and make leafeon have leaf guard.