Pokémon General Discussion

[Ddude The Insane]

Electivire has a base speed of 95,whereas Electabuzz has a base speed of 105.

Done training Infernape,on to Vaporeon....

[The Host]

Using only Leafeon, Empoleon and Rapidash I beat two of Cynthia's pkmn. Garchomp is gonna be really hard to beat since I don't have an ice type, and since Empoleon and Rapidash can barely hit Garchomp(rapidash has no good moves to use against Garchomp and Empoleon is too slow...)
I need to train Leafeon a lot more so it can take out Garchomp... or train Giratina...

[The Truth]

Using only Leafeon, Empoleon and Rapidash I beat two of Cynthia's pkmn. Garchomp is gonna be really hard to beat since I don't have an ice type, and since Empoleon and Rapidash can barely hit Garchomp(rapidash has no good moves to use against Garchomp and Empoleon is too slow...)
I need to train Leafeon a lot more so it can take out Garchomp... or train Giratina...

I'm still on the bug guy.

[Ddude The Insane]

I haven't attempted yet,but i am sure i would cream the Bug guy. I am currently filling anything i missed in the "seen" category of my Pokedex,so when i record all the Pokemon the Elite Four have,my Pokedex will be full and i can upgrade immediatly. I have everyone but Azelf,who i am attempting to catch as i type. I got lucky with Uxie,not so  much here....

[The Truth]

I haven't attempted yet,but i am sure i would cream the Bug guy. I am currently filling anything i missed in the "seen" category of my Pokedex,so when i record all the Pokemon the Elite Four have,my Pokedex will be full and i can upgrade immediatly. I have everyone but Azelf,who i am attempting to catch as i type. I got lucky with Uxie,not so  much here....

that's what I'm doing now, too. Azelf will not let me catch him. I got him so far into the red that he was almost down, used an ultra ball, and he still got away!

[Ddude The Insane]

I have like 25 Ultra balls,his HP is below 10,and i can't do anything!!!!

[The Host]

I still need to see 7 pkmn. Togekiss, Rotom(i think) Uxie, Feebas(where do I see one?) Monferno(again, where do I see one?) Umbreon(same as previous two) and Swinub(again, where is it?)

The Bug Guy(Aaron) is really easy if you have a fire pkmn. The groud woman is easy too, especially since my Leafeon knows Grass Knot, since most of her pkmn are heavy. Flint is somewhat difficult because Empoleon is slow and can't attack the fire pkmn first, and since fire actually hurts Empoleon... The psychic guy is pretty easy, other than Gallade, which takes some time to work at. Alazkazam has no defence, so Rapidash can beat him OHKO using Flare Blitz. Cynthia is hard simply because of Garchomp. Everything else should b easy.

Leafeon lv 57
Rapidash lv 63
Empoleon lv 57

[B~T]

I haven't attempted yet,but i am sure i would cream the Bug guy. I am currently filling anything i missed in the "seen" category of my Pokedex,so when i record all the Pokemon the Elite Four have,my Pokedex will be full and i can upgrade immediatly. I have everyone but Azelf,who i am attempting to catch as i type. I got lucky with Uxie,not so  much here....

that's what I'm doing now, too. Azelf will not let me catch him. I got him so far into the red that he was almost down, used an ultra ball, and he still got away!

Azelf has a capture rate of 3, so catching it is still a pain even though it has a sliver of HP left.
Dialga/Palkia is very easy of a capture rate of 30, which is the capture rate of a Chatot and Chansey. This number is ridiculously high for a legendary.
However, in Platinum, Giratina has a capture rate of 3, so it'll be a challenge to catch.

[The Truth]

I haven't attempted yet,but i am sure i would cream the Bug guy. I am currently filling anything i missed in the "seen" category of my Pokedex,so when i record all the Pokemon the Elite Four have,my Pokedex will be full and i can upgrade immediatly. I have everyone but Azelf,who i am attempting to catch as i type. I got lucky with Uxie,not so  much here....

that's what I'm doing now, too. Azelf will not let me catch him. I got him so far into the red that he was almost down, used an ultra ball, and he still got away!

Azelf has a capture rate of 3, so catching it is still a pain even though it has a sliver of HP left.
Dialga/Palkia is very easy of a capture rate of 30, which is the capture rate of a Chatot and Chansey. This number is ridiculously high for a legendary.
However, in Platinum, Giratina has a capture rate of 3, so it'll be a challenge to catch.

yeah, I had to use a master ball on giratina.

[B~T]

@BT:  Oh, I see.  I'll have to think about that one for a second.  

And as to what I was saying earlier, I'd like to make some slight changes.  My knowledge about Milotic is a little rusty, so I went to check up on it for this discussion.  Milotic's Special Attack is definitely above average, and its HP isn't horrible, either.  It's Defense can actually be quite solid, should it be executed in the right way.  Its base stat is kind of shakey, but with the right Nature (I would hope you have Bold, but I don't know), and the right EV application, as well as good IVs, it can actually turn out to be okay.  And with Marvel Scale, Milotic walking in on something like Toxic, Thunder Wave, or Will-O-Wisp isn't without benefit, although you have to tread carefully with Toxic.  In all reality, it's really the Speed that is its downfall.  You're all ready putting effort into its Defense, which is good.  Its Special Attack and Special Defense are good and are taken care of.  I would definitely suggest, having read over it some more, putting the other 252 EVs into either Speed or HP.  Everything else will be taken care of.  Sadly, Milotic's Speed is possibly low enough in base to the point where it may not be worth attempting to recover, so I would definitely suggest attempting to make it one big Tank.  However, Speed is still a viable option.  I would put it in one of those two for sure.  I would reccommend HP to make it completely sound, but it's up to you.  

Hmm...The last move is a toughie.  Hypnosis is usually a big one with Milotic, but I guess that's out of the question. :-\  Well, I suppose Toxic is always a viable option.  It can certainly wear down on opponents that Milotic would have difficulty dealing with, particularly opposing Water-types.  And you know, if you wanted to toy with your opponents, you could just shift things up completely and go with a ReSTalk Milotic.  The Sleep factor would raise its Defense, and it could constantly keep its HP up.  ReSTalk Milotic is, in my opinion, the best method for a Tank, if that's what you're going for.  If you don't want to change things from the method you've listed, and if you're looking to make it a team-support Pokemon, you can also incorporate Light Screen into your movepool.  It'll give your Pokemon some defense from the kinds of Special Attacks that might get thrown their way in a switch out, particularly Thunderbolt and Grass Knot.  It really just depends on what you're going for.  If not Hypnosis, then I would suggest Toxic, so as to incapacitate the opponent in a few turns.  Hypnosis is usually preferable, but Toxic can also work well.  

I hope the advice I've given has helped.  

Oh, and my Milotic is Bold. Thanks to my Emerald Bold Gardevoir with Synchronize.

@Herochild - It really isn't worth using a Master Ball on Giratina, it is preferrable to save it for Mesprit, Cresselia, and the three legendary Birds.

[Dudebot5000]

I still need to see 7 pkmn. Togekiss, Rotom(i think) Uxie, Feebas(where do I see one?) Monferno(again, where do I see one?) Umbreon(same as previous two) and Swinub(again, where is it?)

I can reveal locations to find/see almost all pokemon. Just give me the name and the Sinnoh Dex number and I'll look it up for you.

[B~T]

I still need to see 7 pkmn. Togekiss, Rotom(i think) Uxie, Feebas(where do I see one?) Monferno(again, where do I see one?) Umbreon(same as previous two) and Swinub(again, where is it?)

Togekiss - Champion Cynthia
Rotom - Old Chateau at Nighttime (Talk to the TV in a room)
Uxie - Lake Acuity
Feebas* - 5 Stars Restaurant in Valor Lakefront, Collector Eugene
Monferno - Pokemon Ranger at Route 212 South
Umbreon - Collector at Route 212 South (Rainy Area)
Swinub - Route 216/217 in the Wild

*Feebas can also be fished in Mt. Coronet in the foggy area which leads to Route 216. However, it is very rare, as it only can be found in 4-6 tiles per day. [You occupy one tile] As a day passes, the area where Feebas occur change. In R/S/E, things were much easier, since Feebas's location was determined by the "Trendy Phrase" in Dewford Town.
   Once you find Feebas, catch as many Feebas as you can.

[The Host]

I haven't attempted yet,but i am sure i would cream the Bug guy. I am currently filling anything i missed in the "seen" category of my Pokedex,so when i record all the Pokemon the Elite Four have,my Pokedex will be full and i can upgrade immediatly. I have everyone but Azelf,who i am attempting to catch as i type. I got lucky with Uxie,not so  much here....

that's what I'm doing now, too. Azelf will not let me catch him. I got him so far into the red that he was almost down, used an ultra ball, and he still got away!

Azelf has a capture rate of 3, so catching it is still a pain even though it has a sliver of HP left.
Dialga/Palkia is very easy of a capture rate of 30, which is the capture rate of a Chatot and Chansey. This number is ridiculously high for a legendary.
However, in Platinum, Giratina has a capture rate of 3, so it'll be a challenge to catch.

Heh. I captured Azelf. I still have to catch Uxie, and I've seen Mesprit. I'll most likely import Master Balls from my Emerald version to catch Mesprit and Cresselia.
I caught Giratina w/ a Timer Ball. And Azelf in a dusk ball(at night and in a cave...) I'll go for Uxie and Rotom tonight.

I still need to see 7 pkmn. Togekiss, Rotom(i think) Uxie, Feebas(where do I see one?) Monferno(again, where do I see one?) Umbreon(same as previous two) and Swinub(again, where is it?)

Togekiss - Champion Cynthia
Rotom - Old Chateau at Nighttime (Talk to the TV in a room)
Uxie - Lake Acuity
Feebas* - 5 Stars Restaurant in Valor Lakefront, Collector Eugene
Monferno - Pokemon Ranger at Route 212 South
Umbreon - Collector at Route 212 South (Rainy Area)
Swinub - Route 216/217 in the Wild

*Feebas can also be fished in Mt. Coronet in the foggy area which leads to Route 216. However, it is very rare, as it only can be found in 4-6 tiles per day. [You occupy one tile] As a day passes, the area where Feebas occur change. In R/S/E, things were much easier, since Feebas's location was determined by the "Trendy Phrase" in Dewford Town.
   Once you find Feebas, catch as many Feebas as you can.

Thanks. I'm not looking to catch a Feebas, although if I ever am I'll share records with a few friends and we'll all search at once.I'll have to go look for a swinub, and I'll battle the three trainers to see the other three and Cynthia to complete my dex.

I hate how hard they made it to catch Feebas...

[Ddude The Insane]

So do i. It kills me.

Caught Azelf,now to fully focus on training.....

[Dudebot5000]

Any thoughts on Drifblim? I'm currently working with it for Veilstone Gym, but I'm looking for long-term thoughts.

[B~T]

@BT:  You know, it's funny.  In Diamond, I chucked two Quick Balls at Dialga, because I knew of its high catch rate, and on the second try, I caught it.  I've always told people to not use their Master Ball on Dialga or Palkia, but people tend to not listen to me. >__>  

You really got it Bold?  That's good.  That's the best Nature to get for a Milotic, at least competitively.  Just work on what I mentioned, and you'll have a pro Milotic in no time.  

What's more funny - I caught Dialga with a Standard PokeBall. Of course, I weakened it first.

[B~T]

Oh and I forgot to mention that only one Pokeball was used to capture him. 

I also am considering to EV train my Staryu with PERFECT 31 IVs on Speed. It is also a Timid Natured Staryu. I also havea "Perfect":
~ NidoranF - Adamant with 31 IVs on Attack
~ Porygon - Timid with 31 IVs on Speed
~ Omanyte - Modest with 31 IVs on Defense, along with decent enough IVs on Special Attack. It's even Female too!
~ Yanma - Modest with 31 IVs on Speed and Sp. Attack
~ Gligar - Jolly with 31 IVs on Attack
~ Swinub - Adamant with 31 IVs on Attack
~ Larvitar - Adamant with 31 IVs on Attack

I also have a Dragonite and Milotic, just what I said before. I still have to make up a team. I currenly have 252 EVs on Staryu's Speed, but since I want it to be a Rapid-Spinner, I have to redo my Training until Staryu has 216 EVs in Speed.

These are all the Pokemon that I have that have very good IVs and Nature. I'm working for a good Aerodactyl, a good Pineco along with a good nature Bagon with 31 IVs on Attack.

@Dudebot - Drifblim is actually a GREAT Pokemon. I used him for Pre-E4. He has High HP, but has crummy defenses to compensate for this. In fact, he is just a wee bit close to making it to the OU tier. The only thing that can stop it is Roar or Whirlwind, especially if Drifblim has the Baton Pass moveset  . If used correctly, he could pose a threat to even the OU tier. So why not let someone give a lecture description/opinion of Drifblim?Plus, Drifloon are SO cute!!! Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Dudebot5000]

I do have plans for Drifblim, but I know it probably won't make my "final" team. When I mean "final," I mean post-E4 competitive team.

ATM, it's at least going to get me through this gym. =P

[Dudebot5000]

Now I just need to get ~4000 more coins from the Slots so I can get my hands on Psychic. =P

[Magical Girl Mimi]

Did I mention I caught Gira with one or so Ultra Balls? =P

I'm on my way to catch both Dialga and Palkia now... Wish me luck, I'll need it =P

I caught Feebas in Emerald... I'll probably just Migrate it before I start over, since it'll be a pain if not, seeing as I only have one DS, don't know anyone else with one, and still have to figure out how the heck I'm getting everything from Diamond to Platinum, so if I want I can reset Diamond. >_>