Pokémon General Discussion

[B~T]

So, what is a good moveset for Salamence?

I would like a Dragon Dance Salamence:
Adamant - 6 HP/252Atk/252 Spd
~ Dragon Dance
~ Dragon Claw
~ Earthquake
~ Stone Edge
Adamant - 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Or a Salamence like:
~ Dragon Claw
~ Earthquake
~ Stone Edge
~ Flamethrower/Fire Blast

Which is better?

[The Host]

@ZLS: o__0  -__-  -__0`  

>__<  

No wonder you've been having such difficulty.  Your movesets are far beyond messed up.  You've got two Fire-type attacks on Rapidash, two Water-type attacks on Empoleon, and three Grass-type attacks on Leafeon, with the last being Last Resort, which I highly disagree upon in use.  Your team has great potential, but you're going about it in a very bad manor.  I believe you do all of this based on STAB, but believe me, this is a really bad way to go about raising a team.  Let me give you some advice for these three:  

First off, never use more than one move of a kind of type, at least for attacking purposes.  For example, don't put Brine and Surf on Empoleon.  It's unnecessary.  

Starting with Empoleon, I'd like to point out that you're attempting to use Empoleon for direct attacking purposes.  Unfortunately, Empoleon is really meant more for defending than attacking.  However, if you really want to be serious about battling purposes, then I'll suggest a moveset here.  Here's a good Special Sweeper Empoleon:  

Surf
Ice Beam
Grass Knot
Agility

Agility helps to make up for its lackluster Speed, making it a viable choice for a Special Sweeper.  Surf acts as the main form of STAB, and Ice Beam can take care of pesky Dragon-types (such as Garchomp), as well as Grass-types that might otherwise absorb Surf and Grass Knot for little damage.  Grass Knot is somewhat of a filler, but it helps to deal with heavier opponents, as well as opponents that might otherwise turn Surf and Ice Beam away, namely opposing Water-types.  In my opinion, if you transform your Empoleon into a Special Sweeper, it'll become the main contender against Cynthia's Garchomp.  

'kay, but I don't have the money to get ice beam, nor do I have another grass knot tm... and no steel stab?

Next up is Rapidash.  The problem with Rapidash is that not only does it lack a wide array of good moves in its movepool, but it also has below average stats.  It has decent Attack and Speed, but that's all it has going for it.  Infernape is a far better choice.  Infernape has better stats overall, and has a far wider movepool than Rapidash.  Nonetheless, I'll make of this what I can:

Flare Blitz
Megahorn
Iron Tail
Return/Double Kick

Flare Blitz is obviously there for a good STAB, but it should be used in extreme moderation, due to Rapidash's horrid HP (HP is its weakest stat).  Megahorn offers a good physical move that can strike down many opponents.  The lack of recoil is good, but it does come at the cost of Accuracy, which is unpreferable.  However, with Megahorn, the benefits outweigh the negatives, and unfortunately, it's the next best thing to work with on Rapidash.  And if we're having to come down to conversation like that, then it's evident that it has a bad movepool.  Iron Tail is there to help take oncoming Rock-types on, but again, that depends on if you can land the attack.  The last move deals with filler.  Return is a decent physical attack, and can help take on Water-types and Flying-types that Rapidash would have difficulty fighting.  Double Kick could further deal with Steel-types and Rock-types, but they've already been dealt with, so I would suggest Return instead.  

In all honesty, as I've been saying time and again, Infernape is a far better choice, but I suppose it's your opinion. :-\  

I'm starting to agree with you about Infernape... I like Rapidash's stomp because of it's flinch inflicting ability, although Fireblast does not work well with it, I agree. Bounce is there as a filler really, so I may try switching that for Megahorn and Fireblast for Iron tail or something...

Now on to Leafeon:  

Swords Dance
Leaf Blade
Return
X-Scissor/Synthesis

Now, Leafeon has decent Attack and Speed, and has a phenomenal Defense Stat.  However, its other stats are quite lackluster.  Thus, you need to either make Leafeon a Baton Passer (all Eeveelutions act as Baton Passers) or a Swords Dance Sweeper (a Physical Sweeper with Swords Dance to reinforce its Attack).  Because this is an in-game team, I would suggest a Swords Dance Sweeper.  Swords Dance obviously boosts his Attack up to be quite competitive.  Leaf Blade acts as a great STAB move, and has a high CH bonus, as well.  You shouldn't always depend on/hope for the CH to kick in, but when it does, it'll pay off nicely for your Leafeon.  Return, again, acts as a great physical attack that can reach a base power of 108.  The last move acts as filler.  Synthesis can act as decent healing move, while X-Scissor helps to deal with Psychic-types, but more notably against opposing Grass-types.  It's really up to you.  

Leafeon doesn't learn Leaf Blade until lv 71... I really do want that move for it, and I hate Last resort, I only have it as filler and to deal with pkmn that grass is not good against. I need to get rid of Giga drain, and I wish I could put leech seed on it, because that it really a good move. I'll see if I can get swords dance for Leafeon, and maybe use return for another move.

In the end, I think I'll try these movesets unless you think something is really wrong:

Empoleon: Surf, Ice Beam, Flash Cannon, Agility
Rapidash: Megahorn, Flare Blitz, Stomp, Iron Tail
Leafeon: Leafblade, Swords Dance, Return, Giga Impact

It really depends on how much money I can get to afford Ice Beam and Giga Impact...

I'm just surprised that you would make a mistake like that.  You shouldn't be having a Pokemon with many of their attacks being the same type. :-\  

I guess since I don't do competitive battleing I don't know the movesets for pkmn that well. And I also like to have STAB on my team, but that gets into a discussion from a while ago...

What would you suggest as a moveset for a Weavile?

[B~T]

What would you suggest as a moveset for a Weavile?

A good moveset for Weavile would be:
Jolly/Adamant
EV Spread: 6 HP/252 Atck/252 Speed
 - Night Slash
 - Ice Punch
 - Brick Break
 - Swords Dance

[The Host]

Thanks. I currently have a Sneasel with a Jolly nature lv 45. It knows none of those attacks

[Dudebot5000]

Current team post 4th badge:

Prinplup lv35 - Metal Claw, Hydro Pump, Peck, Brine
Drifblim lv32 - Fly, Ominous Wind, Payback, Psychic
Monferno lv35 - Flame Wheel, Mach Punch, Rock Climb, Flamethrower
Torterra lv34 - Tackle (0_o), bite, Mega Drain, Razor Leaf
Pichu lv20 - Charm, Thunder Wave, Double Team, Volt Tackle

Torterra was evolved at 34 instead of 32, which is why Earthquake is absent. Rock Climb, Flamethrower, and Hydro Pump were all egg moves. And yes, I'm aware of the Pichu problem. >_>

This list is subject to change drastically at any comment. So please do comment, because change can be good. =P

[B~T]

Thanks. I currently have a Sneasel with a Jolly nature lv 45. It knows none of those attacks

Why not check its IVs?

[Ddude The Insane]

Hello there! I am making my first post from my Nintendo Dsi.

Currently attempting to beat Battle Hall. Got Electivire,and he has been good.

Moves:
Thunderpunch
Thunderbolt
Fire Punch
Strength

When i get the BPs,I will teach it Earthquake. Trying to diversify moves.

[Dudebot5000]

I would switch Thunderbolt for Earthquake, Mata. It's the only non-physical move you have on there, wich is Electivire's strong point.

[B~T]

And I'd get rid of Strength and replace it with Ice Punch.

[Ddude The Insane]

Alright,i gave in and took an HM slave. Bibarel.

@DB-actually,my Electivire has AMAZING Sp. Attack.

[The Host]

Thanks. I currently have a Sneasel with a Jolly nature lv 45. It knows none of those attacks

Why not check its IVs?

I don't know what/how to check IVs...

And...
I beat the E4, caught Dialga and Palkia, and began to create my core team.
My current 4 pkmn team is as such:

Empoleon lv 71: Surf, Brine, Drill Peck, Flash Cannon
Leafeon lv 72: Return, Leafblade, Grass Knot, Magical leaf
Rapidash lv 71: Flare Blitz, Megahorn, Bounce, Stomp
Weavile lv 63: Night Slash, Faint Attack, Slash, Icy Wind

BT, I haven't forgotten your input, just haven't had the time to work on it. Forget about the drill peck comment, as I realised after I posted that Drill peck is physical and not special, so that's gone. I'm trying to get Swords dance for Leafeon, and I'm deciding on a last move for it otherwise. I'm pretty happy with Rapidash, although I want to try something other than Bounce on it.
I'm still leveling up Weavile, but I don't know where to get it Ice Punch...
I'm also gonna start to level up my Electivire that I got yesterday, along with my Rhyperior and Magmortar. I have Giratina in Origin forme now, but I'm not gonna use it, or Palkia, or Dialga or anyone else Uber.
Who would you suggest to complete my team? Try to keep Weavile and Leafeon in it, and I do have access to a lv 60 Infernape from my pearl version.

[B~T]

Alright,i gave in and took an HM slave. Bibarel.

@DB-actually,my Electivire has AMAZING Sp. Attack.

Are you using an Electivire for Pre-E4?
If so, SAVE FIRST and then use the stat-removing berries to check its real IVs.
I'm suspecting that you just inputted his values without considering the EVs he has, and almost no one knows how many EVs are in your Electivire.
By using the berries, you can ensure that Electivire has no EVs, making it easier to calculate.  
Then soft-reset the game and everything is back to normal.

Thanks. I currently have a Sneasel with a Jolly nature lv 45. It knows none of those attacks

Why not check its IVs?

I don't know what/how to check IVs...

And...
I beat the E4, caught Dialga and Palkia, and began to create my core team.
My current 4 pkmn team is as such:

Empoleon lv 71: Surf, Brine, Drill Peck, Flash Cannon
Leafeon lv 72: Return, Leafblade, Grass Knot, Magical leaf
Rapidash lv 71: Flare Blitz, Megahorn, Bounce, Stomp
Weavile lv 63: Night Slash, Faint Attack, Slash, Icy Wind

BT, I haven't forgotten your input, just haven't had the time to work on it. Forget about the drill peck comment, as I realised after I posted that Drill peck is physical and not special, so that's gone. I'm trying to get Swords dance for Leafeon, and I'm deciding on a last move for it otherwise. I'm pretty happy with Rapidash, although I want to try something other than Bounce on it.
I'm still leveling up Weavile, but I don't know where to get it Ice Punch...
I'm also gonna start to level up my Electivire that I got yesterday, along with my Rhyperior and Magmortar. I have Giratina in Origin forme now, but I'm not gonna use it, or Palkia, or Dialga or anyone else Uber.
Who would you suggest to complete my team? Try to keep Weavile and Leafeon in it, and I do have access to a lv 60 Infernape from my pearl version.

Ice Punch is learned on Weavile by a Move Tutor in Route 212. Remember in D/P where you trade 10 shards of the same color for a TM in a house? Now, when you return to that same house, the person there will teach your Pokemon moves for shards. You can dig shards up underground, or on the floor. You need 6 Blue Shards and 2 Red Shards to pay to the person to teach Ice Punch to Weavile.  

[Ddude The Insane]

@RP-You are fast......

try a........Steel/Dragon type. Your team needs an overall staller,along with some good,consistent,power. Try Steelix or Gabite,maybe even immigrate Salemence.

@BT-I don't really use EVs or IVs. And i can't get on the Internet with Pokemon,so i don't train for competition.

Beat my first Frontie Brain. Battle Hall. Electivire.

Here is a recap-
FB(Frontier Brain,forgot her name) sends out Registeel.
I send out Electivire.
Electivire uses Fire Punch. Takes out about 1/5 of Rsteel's HP.
Registeel uses Flash Cannon.
I use low kick.
Rsteel uses berry. HP @ 1/5.
Rsteel uses Iron head.
I use Fire Punch. I win.

[Dudebot5000]

try a........Steel/Dragon type. Your team needs an overall staller,along with some good,consistent,power. Try Steelix or Gabite,maybe even immigrate Salemence.

Steelix is a Ground/Steel type. No dragon.

Do not use Garchomp, for it is an Ub3r and everyone'll hate you for using it.

Salemance, on the other hand, is a nice idea.

[The Host]

lol. I do need a staller, and the only dragon/steel type I know of is Dialga... I think I'll try something like this, and maybe switch a few things around later:

Leafeon
Weavile
Infernape/Magmortar
Electivire
Gallade
Salamance/Dragonite/some water pkmn.

How many times do you have to do the battle hall until you fight the brain? and will it always be Registeel that I have to face? Or do you choose the type? Cause I won 20 in a row with my Leafeon...

Team Update:
Leafeon lv 75, Empoleon lv 73, Weavile lv 68, Electivire lv 48, Gallade lv 40.
I'm not using my Rapidash because I'm trying to train Electivire and Gallade. I have a lv 60 Infernape in my Pearl that I may add to my team eventually. I'm currently trying to furnish my villa while at the same time trying to buy Swords Dance for Leafeon. Elite 4 is the way to go, since I get lots of money, and training for Electi and Gallade.

[Dudebot5000]

Take note that if you HoF about 10 times or so, the E4 get stronger.

[The Host]

The Elite 4 already became 16 levels higher per pkmn. It happens after you tag team fight people before entering the Battle Frontier. I'm not sure if that's what you meant, but that happens. I'm using Exp. Share to train Electivire and Gallade.

[Ddude The Insane]

@RP and DB-i meant a steel OR Drsgon type.

[0PureChaos0]

I've got the silver Battle Castle Symbol! I almost got the silver Battle Arcade symbol. The music's awsome.

[The Host]

I don't have wi-fi, so I can't get a tm from the internet. However, I have acces to my Pearl version's Grass Knot(as well as a lv 60 Infernape in that version) and my bro's Diamond version w/ Grass Knot.
So: Empoleon- Surf, Grass Knot, Agility, Ice Beam
Leafeon: Leafblade, Swords Dance, Return, Synthesis
Rapidash: Flare Blitz, Megahorn, Iron Tail, Poison Jab... although I'll probably switch for and Infernape...
Weavile: Night Slash, Ice punch(since I already have it), Swords Dance, Brick Break

Electivire?
Gallade? (psycho cut, leafblade, night slash, swords dance?)