Pokémon General Discussion

[Magical Girl Mimi]

BT: You only need to clone something not valuable the first few times, once you get it down it's mostly easy... Except if you forget the exact instructions, then stuff will go wrong =P

[The Truth]

Okay, this is how it goes.  Just know that this only works on Emerald.  Even though the Battle Tower existed on Ruby and Sapphire, it won't work. 

1.)  Go to the Battle Frontier, enter the Battle Tower, and walk up to the PC on the right. 
2.)  Make sure that you have the Pokemon in your party prior to you beginning this process. 
3.)  After walking up to the PC, deposit the Pokemon you want cloned.  It doesn't matter where you put them, what order you put them in, etc.  All that matters is that you deposit them. 
4.)  Once the Pokemon are deposited, save your game. 
5.)  After the game has saved, remove all of the Pokemon that you have cloned. 
6.)  After removing them, DON'T save your game.  I don't know what happens if you do, but I assume that this will merely cancel the glitch.  If you want the glitch to procede, don't save after removing them. 
7.)  Walk up to the lady at the register for link battling (the farthest right attendent), and talk to her. 
8.)  She asks you to select two Pokemon to battle with.  Accept this.  Just pick any two Pokemon.  Again, it doesn't matter. 
9.)  She will ask if she can save your game, and if it's okay.  Say yes. 
10.)  At this point, there will be a momentary pause in your game.  Don't freak out when this happens.  This pause is the glitch occuring.  The music will continue to play, but there will be two to three seconds where you can't do anything.  Don't worry, this is normal. 
11.)  The traditional save screen will pop up.  Do NOT save at this point.  Simply turn off your game.  Don't worry, you don't need to save.  Remember, you saved when the Pokemon were in the PC, and then the pause when talking to the lady?  This is basically a split of data, making the cloned Pokemon be in two places at once.  Turning off the game finalizes it. 
12.)  Turn your game on.  You will be in front of the attendent.  Walk over to the PC.  You will find the cloned Pokemon sitting in your PC.  Then, observe your party.  The cloned Pokemon will also be there. 

That's basically how it works.  You can also do this with up to five Pokemon at a time.  Just deposit the five at the same time, save, remove all five (they can be in any order, it won't matter), and follow the normal procedures.  If you want to clone items, simply attach them to the cloned Pokemon.  I hope this helps anyone who needed to learn it.

great, thanks! I needed to find a way to clone my Rayquaza anyway!

[The Host]

@RP:  BT and I are trying to make a general point.  It doesn't matter what Pokemon they are, what their type is, etc.  What matters in this particular situation is the fact that there are Pokemon out there that can easily outspeed and overpower your Pokemon with attacks that can be used against you.  You're focusing too much on simple STAB, and not worrying about what REALLY matters.  Before STAB, you need to focus on EVs, Natures, IVs, Base Stats (of moves and Pokemon), counter-strategies, supercedent planning, etc.  You worry too much about a simple factor in battle that can't play that much of a role in battle.  It makes a move 150% percent of its worth, but that only works for one move, maybe two, and that's it.  And at any rate, some Pokemon have stats that work in ways that might not even allow them, with all factors considered, to reasonably use a move that gains STAB in the first place!  STAB is exactly what it stands for:  Same Type Attack Bonus.  It's a bonus in combat, and nothing more.  When you look at the grand scale of things in their importance, STAB is relatively minimal when everything is put together.  

Okay, but I can switch moves on my own team. You keep throwing out examples where you put a different type of attack on a pkmn, and I'm saying that I'm not limited to STAB moves. I can play the same game that you play and attack your team's weak point/points as well.

@RP:  STAB can have sway and influence, but again, while it's a factor, it simply gets overshadowed by all of the other factors.  You appear to go on and on about it as if it's the most important of all of the factors in power.  On the contrary; in my opinion, while it can have an effect, you should worry much more about the above things that I've listed.  And besides, while your Pokemon have somewhat respectable Defenses, the simple fact is that the focus for them in Attack.  You could perhaps pass Metagross off as a Tank, but that's about it.  At any rate, my Pokemon are just as competitive, if not moreso, in those areas, so I don't see the point you're trying to make.  

STAB is important, and I've seen it in gameplay. Attacks are much more affective if they have STAB than if they don't. What I'm basically saying is that you can overpower my team without STAB, but you overlook the fact that I can have non STAB moves as well that can counter your pkmn.

See, there you go again, worrying about types.  Just, for a second, think about and compare their stats.  Rapidash is horrid compared to Infernape stat-wise, and it's stats that truly make the single biggest factor in a battle, not types.  A Pokemon's type is certainly important, but if your Pokemon doesn't have well-rounded, perfected stats to build off of, your STAB-focused attacks are rendered useless.  You focus too much on simple typing and STAB, and not enough on the true competitive aspects.  

Infernape DOES NOT have well rounded stats. I'm starting with Piplup(in fact, I got the game yesterday and already have started with Piplup), so this is not important anymore. And I don't believe that Infernape could withstand much, seeing as how it has horrid defence and it does not have much HP. Empoleon is more well rounded than Infernape, so you can't say that choosing Rapidash over Infernape is a huge mistake, because Empoleon is way more equalized in stats than Infernape could ever be.

Well, Blocker in general could mean taking any kind of attack easily.  It isn't clear.  And I'm aware that any Pokemon can switch out, I'm just making the point that I can easily evade your Fighting-type in doing so.  

I can easily evade attacks as well, then, was my point.

Then why would you ask if it doesn't apply to you? :-\  And competitive battling calls for more than simply "being good".  The competitive battlefield calls for nothing less than perfection, and this lack of care for Natures, etc. gives me insight into your keen interest in STAB.  It almost appears to me as if it's your only true insight into the competitive playing field, which shouldn't be so.  In the grand scale of it all, STAB just isn't everything, plain as that.  

I was just interested. If you don't care for STAB your pkmn won't be able to land good hits... You'll never be able to tell which of us is better because I don't have wi-fi and I believe you don't either, so we can't test out which of us has a better team. You would most likely have better stats than my pkmn, but since we'd be using different pkmn I'm not sure what would happen.


As for me in Platinum, I beat Wake(yeah, I'm probably playing too much) and am on my way to Celestial town. I'm gonna have to boot Staravia out of the team because as it is my team's already lagging behind in level compared to what I have to battle. My team stands like this currently:

Prinplup (lv31)
Leafeon (lv34)
Luxray (lv31)
Ponyta (lv32)

Staravia (lv29) -gonna leave it behind
HM Slave(Tropius lv28)

[The Truth]

where are you in Plat? I just kicked Saturn out of the Galactic HQ and am heading to MT Coronet.
(I still can't believe that a Torterra could beat the Snowpoint Gym Leader)

[Magical Girl Mimi]

... Wait, you don't start saving then turn it off? ... That's probably where I went wrong, unless I did that and did it wrong or something xD

I'm just about to get to Canalave, I just wanted to get my levels back up, since I was starting to go fast.

[The Truth]

... Wait, you don't start saving then turn it off? ... That's probably where I went wrong, unless I did that and did it wrong or something xD

I'm just about to get to Canalave, I just wanted to get my levels back up, since I was starting to go fast.

careful, that's where your rival ambushes you! be sure to heal before crossing the bridge!

[Magical Girl Mimi]

Oh. Well, it's a good thing I- Wait, the bridge in Canalave? Oh, I've got a lot of stuff to do before that anyway =P And what are his levels again, my Torterra's around level 45 and the rest are approaching/are level 40(I tried to keep it mostly equal... Found it was somewhat better to have Torterra 5 levels above for some reason though.)

... I think my Pokemon are higher leveled from the point I'm at than they were in D/P at the same point... 0_o

[The Truth]

I am beginning to regret choosing Torterra-he loses way more than my Empolion in Pearl ever did.
oh well, at least the EXP Share I gave my Vaporion is working.

[Magical Girl Mimi]

The only reason he's lost is I went more than I should have, when I didn't have any revives and such. Plus, he'll be better to use against the electric gym =P

[The Truth]

The only reason he's lost is I went more than I should have, when I didn't have any revives and such. Plus, he'll be better to use against the electric gym =P

my torterra loses all the time. 

[The Host]

I'm in the Canalave gym ATM. My pokemon are lower levels than yours Blade, so you should have no prob with your rival.

Empoleon lv 39: Surf, Brine, Aqua Jet, Metal Claw
Leafeon lv 37: Grass Knot, Synthesis, Magical Leaf, Quick Attack
Ponyta lv 35: Flame Wheel, Ember, Take Down, Stomp
Luxray lv 35: Thunder Fang, Spark, Bite, Tackle

Those are the only ones I'm using now.

BTW, which evolution did you guys use for Eevee?

[Ddude The Insane]

 I used Vaporeon. Working nicely. Got inspired by An Eevee-loving friend.

At the moment,as i type,i am surfing towards Voictory Road. My Pokemon are all level 48,although Giratina and Electabuzz are getting close to 49. What will happen is i will spend the next week beefing up to around level 60,then pwn the Elite Four. Teir Pokemon are tougher atack-wise,so i will need to be careful. For example,Lucian now has a level 59 Gallade(have a guidebook).

So...do you guys think i shuld wait to beat the Elite Four until I evolve Electabuzz,or just go along with him? I mean,i want to hang on to the higher speed as long as i can.

[The Truth]

I used Vaporeon. Working nicely. Got inspired by An Eevee-loving friend.

At the moment,as i type,i am surfing towards Voictory Road. My Pokemon are all level 48,although Giratina and Electabuzz are getting close to 49. What will happen is i will spend the next week beefing up to around level 60,then pwn the Elite Four. Teir Pokemon are tougher atack-wise,so i will need to be careful. For example,Lucian now has a level 59 Gallade(have a guidebook).

So...do you guys think i shuld wait to beat the Elite Four until I evolve Electabuzz,or just go along with him? I mean,i want to hang on to the higher speed as long as i can.

Electabuzz needs a trade to evolve. Give it a electrizer, trade it, and trade it back. that is the only way to get an Electivire. sorry.

[Ddude The Insane]

Oh,i know that,i just need to wait to either get together with my friend or wait for the Dsi,both of which are at least a week away. In fact,my Electabuzz is holding an Electrizer rigt now,i stopped playing because i got a red light and i am to lazy to go get the charger.

[The Truth]

Oh,i know that,i just need to wait to either get together with my friend or wait for the Dsi,both of which are at least a week away. In fact,my Electabuzz is holding an Electrizer rigt now,i stopped playing because i got a red light and i am to lazy to go get the charger.

actually, if you enter the code BA16-X4SH-E2AT in self-introduction, you can send an Electivire to Plat from your Wii!

[Ddude The Insane]

Do i need pokemon battle revolution? I traded it in at gamestop.

[The Truth]

Do i need pokemon battle revolution? I traded it in at gamestop.

yup. sorry. wait a minute... I have a spare Electivire in Pearl! PM me your friend code and I'll send it to you!

[Ddude The Insane]

Remember? I don't have the right computer security for wi-fi.....I will when i get the Dsi,though.

[The Truth]

Remember? I don't have the right computer security for wi-fi.....I will when i get the Dsi,though.

oh yeah... sorry!

[The Truth]

@herochild:  Torterra is a very good Pokemon.  You just have to know how to use him correctly.  Be sure to definitely beef up his Attack.  Torterra is the perfect example of a Tank.  His offensive and defensive capabilities are really good, but he's slow as crud.  I find a moveset spread of Wood Hammer, Synthesis/Leech Seed, Stone Edge, and Earthquake to do well with Torterra.

where do I learn Wood Hammer?